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Bill O'Reilly and Ellen DeGeneres. Fair and Balanced ? Yes !

Sometimes in the course of bringing equality to all Americans, we end up with something called "Strange Bedfellows."

Although that is not to be taken, in this case, literally... Bill O'Reilly of Fox News has ended up... bless his 'lil heart... Bill O'Reilly has ended up defending Ellen DeGeneres.

The Department Store JC Penney, now sometimes calling themselves JCP... has chosen to hire Ellen DeGeneres... daytime host of The Ellen DeGeneres program, and one of the sweetest, most beloved GAY people in the country... as a "corporate spokesperson.

All has been just fine... until over the last few days... another one of those "PAC" groups... One Million Moms... has decided to try their darndest to get JC Penney to fire Ms DeGeneres.  Why ?  Because she is a "lesbian, and lesbians are an affront to traditional family values."

Here it is again, folks.  That "traditional family values" montra being emblazoned on a flag, waived for one and all to see, and then used in an attempt to cement so-called "traditional family values"... a silly euphemism in this case for blatant discrimination and hate.

Personally, for the most part, I view Mr O'Reilly as a stand-up comedian.  Actually... since he stands six-ft five inches tall, he is more of a "sit up" comedian.  He is actually one of the most "fair and balanced" of the troup "over there" at Fox News.

And last night... Bill O'Reilly had a far-right conservative on his show, and debated the "JCP needs to fire Ellen DeGeneres" issue with this bigotted woman.

O'Reilly compared the One Million Mom's attempt at denying Ellen her job as spokesperson for JCP... to the McCarthy hearings in the 1950's that sought to smear anyone who did not agree with Senator Joe McCarthy's ultra-conservative beliefs... as a "Communist..." and additionally sought to have them "blacklisted." 

For those of you too old to actually remember this happening in person (I do, I was a young teen-ager, and I remember the horror)... this was a horrible time in Our Nation's History.

So... believe it or not... I say... Bless Your Heart... Bill O'Reilly.

Comment balloon 60 commentsKaren Anne Stone • February 07 2012 05:25PM

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Traditional family values ... oh you mean the likes of Newt Gingrich? Is that what they are fighting for? They can have it as far as I'm concerned. BTW, today the federal appeals court ruled against California's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, arguing the ban unconstitutionally singles out gays and lesbians for discrimination. Woot Woot!!!

Posted by Cynthia Larsen, Independent Broker Serving Sonoma County, CA (Safe Haven Realty) over 5 years ago

I could go on and on and on, about Traditional Family Values, but I won't.  Suffice it say, I double Woot Woot todays's decision regarding gay marriage in CA... as for O'Reilly?  whodda thunk?!

Posted by Peggy Hughes/pha logistix, inc., SF NYC LA (pha logistix inc) over 5 years ago

Cynthia:  Yes, just like Newt Gingrich.  And yes, I read... every article I could find... about Proposition 8 being declared unconstitutional... which it IS. 

When I sat down to write this post, it was a question of between "Ellen" and "Prop 8."  Since the "Ellen" situation was a little older, I wrote about it first... not wanting the subject to get "stale" before I posted it.

As far as Prop 8, and the "right" of those against including gays and lesbians in the group of Americans who are free to marry the love of their life... just more bigots spreading their evil, bigoted venom.  Should gays and lesbians "be allowed" to marry ?  There is no "allowing" to it.  If any two adults want to marry the love of their lives... it's just quite simple.

Equal rights means equal rights.  And yes... although this will be the first time I will say this... "Woot Woot."  Not real sure what that means, though.  <dorky, square-bear'ish grin>

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Peggy:  I agree.  And wow... we not have triple Woot Woots !  This is a first for any of my blog posts.

I think it is just HORRIBLE that groups like the ultra-conservate far-right have "co-opted" phrases like "Traditional Family Values."  The LAST thing that should be the "law of the land..." the law of OUR land... is what "they" see as "traditional."

Traditionally bigoted.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Oh it's a little late right now but I will be shopping in JCP, as they are now known, tomorrow.  Thank you for putting this post up because it's the first time ever I liked Bill. I think I am pretty traditional and a mom and I love Ellen.

Posted by Liz Wallace, Broker C21 Sherlock Homes, Rockville Centre, LI, N (Century 21 Sherlock Homes) over 5 years ago

Without getting into any political commentary, I was appalled at this woman and her hatred if you will.  She tried to say that it was all about the gay lifestyle and children, but I think she should take a look at just how much children into adults know about gay life just from school and friends and the Internet, a lot.  Frankly they take it with a grain of salt and do not care.  We raised our granddaughter for five years from 13 to 18 in a Christan home and she has nothing against anyone's lifestyle nor do her friends.  We did not want her to be prejudicial, but to take people for who they are not who someone thinks they should be. They are people just like us and they are God's children in her mind. Ellen is a fine person as far as I know, why does anyone care what her personal life is as it is none of their or our business. That lady was outrageous.

Posted by Mary Stewart, Wilsonville and Surrounding Portland Metro Areas (HomeTrust Real Estate, LLC, Homes for Everyone) over 5 years ago

What Was My Personal Response to This ?

Years ago I worked in retail to either pay my way through college, or to get some extra money during the Christmas Holidays.  One thing I do know about retail... is that they hear much more complaints than they hear "atta boys" and "atta girls."

So... when I read about how this group of bigots was encouraging all of their One Million Moms to descent upon the local JC Penney stores and confront management and complain, or call into the stores and complain to the JCP store management... I knew I had to do something.

I wish I could have done more... but:  I live in Fort Worth, Texas.  Not exactly California or New York.  I pulled up a list of all the JC Penney stores in my general DFW area... and picked out three of them.  I picked the three that I thought would be most confronted by the "Righteous" One Million Moms.  I called the stores.  I asked for the store manager.  I got voice mails... every time.  So, I called back in.  Got the same.  Then re-called, told the operator I knew they were getting complaints, and also guessed that had something to do with why I was getting only voice-mails.  I told them I wanted to thank JCP for their firm stand on equal rights for all.

It worked.  I spoke with one overall store manager, and two assistant managers.  All in all, they were VERY glad I called.  Yes, they had received calls from the "Moms"... and no, the calls weren't very pretty.  I told them I was very much in favor of their hiring of Ellen DeGeneres, and knew that their action in doing so, and then backing it up while "under fire" would actually INCREASE their business... especially in a "red state" like Texas... where "minorities"... which could mean gays, lesbians, Hispanics, blacks, and just about anyone else who isn't an over-the-edge right-winger.

I know I should have done more.  And... I will do what I can.  But... the one thing I DID know... was that I had to do "something."

Woot Woot.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Liz:  It is NEVER too late to do what is right.  And, if you had a clue what venom seeps into the minds of these "traditionalists"... which I am sure you do... you have to know that companies like JCP are, and will be, subject to what I jokingly call the "harrasment of the 'righteous' far-right."  JCP is doing what is morally correct. 

These "Moms" are entitled to their religious and moral (HA) beliefs.  What they are not entitled to... is to force them on others.

Do what you can.  And please know that nothing you do... could ever be called "too little."  Bless your heart.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Mary:  I just love your response.  What has always "frosted my berries" was the use of the term "gay lifestyle."  Is there a "heterosexual lifestyle ?"  I doubt it.  There IS no gay lifestyle.  There are simply people who love who they love.  Regardless.

Is there a left-handed lifestyle ?  Is being left-handed a choice ?  I remember back in Catholic elementary school how some of the dear Sisters would try to "ruler-whack" the left-handed'ness out of some of the poor, unfortunate kids who happened to be born left-handed.

Why do so many people with differing views and/or religious beliefs try and turn those beliefs into laws, and then enforce them on others... I don't know.  Actually, I DO know... and again, it ain't pretty.  I honestly think the main reason... is their own "insecurity."

There is no reason whatsoever why children being raised in a "Christian home" cannot simply grow up to treat others as they themselves would like to be treated.

Mary:  As a sidelight, here... I considered moving to the Portland area, and actually attempted to move there in late 1999.  Stayed with a friend for five weeks.  Thirty-five days, and it rained on 33 on them.  It took me three days to get a job, and it was located with a firm that was right along the river... the Willamette, I believe, just a smidge north of Oregon City.

Silly as it seems, I used to go down to the river (at street level) right near that little "falls" near or in Oregon City, and sit there and watch the falls, listen to the water, and enjoy the ambiance.  I wished I could have moved there... loved the people and the countryside... but the cold-damp surroundings... even while I was there... whisked me right into the arms of pneumonia.  Drat !

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

I just heard this was happening to Ellen Degeneres in the last couple of days. I was also appalled that this subject keeps coming back to haunt us. Are we still debating this in 2012? Good for Bill O'Reilly and good for you. I think I'll follow your lead and voice my support to JCP.

Posted by Jill Sackler, LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate (Broker Associate, Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. "Said and Done!") over 5 years ago

I hadn't heard of this happening, but it is appalling. These women wrap up their hate and bigotry in a nice little phrase. It makes me ill and very angry. I was reading your responses and have to thank you for opening my eyes to something I had never realized.  Use of the word lifestyle. 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne~ that woman sure spoke a lot of crap.  Kudos to Bill for sticking up for Ellen and confronting that woman.  If she was speaking of the traditional values, she should be speaking about treating everyone as equals.  She, herself, by thinking JCP is in the wrong, is prejudice.  She is prejudice about sexual orientation that is not similar to hers.  I wonder what she thinks of people that do not share her choice for a favorite color or type of car, or, or, or......

I agree with you, that group has no right demanding a corporation do anything.  JCP has a right to run their business as they see fit.

I think I will do what you have done and call my local JCP and let them know that I approve of their corporate decision.  WOOT  WOOT

Thanks for the post!

Posted by Dawn A Fabiszak, The Dawn of a New Real Estate Experience! (Private Label Realty ( Denver metro area, Colorado) over 5 years ago

Dumb dumb dumb.  I'm so tired of those who feel they have the right to try and control the personal life of others.  Let it go folks.  JCP made the right choice of spokesperson. 

Posted by Cindy Jones, Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News (Integrity Real Estate Group) over 5 years ago

LOL, Karen Anne ... you are a quick study, you can WOOT as well as anyone. This JCP issue is making me madder by the minute, I hadn't heard about it until I saw your post. BUT ... I must run now to catch the 5:00 news broadcast from San Francisco! WOOT!

Posted by Cynthia Larsen, Independent Broker Serving Sonoma County, CA (Safe Haven Realty) over 5 years ago

Ahh, hasn't Ellen been through this before?

Posted by Al & Peggy Cunningham, Brokers, Our Family Wants To Help Your Family! (RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne, I need to make sure to write a response earlier in your post. You write more in your comments than in your original post. I am amazed. I have never understood the intense, emotional reaction to people who love one another. Isn't this somehow a good thing? I guess even Billo must be commended for doing right when he does so.

Cal

Posted by Cal Yoder, Homes For Sale in Lancaster PA - 717.413.0744 (Keller Williams Elite) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne - I like Bill O'Riley - always have and I like Fox News.  As far as Ellen goes....well, to each his or her own.  I was taught that we are to love our brothers and sisters. 

Posted by Pam Miller, Broker Associate - Pearland/Friendswood (Realty Associates) over 5 years ago

I'm more conservative than you and most of your commenters. I happen to like Bill a lot and agree with him the majority of the time. That said...

That woman was clueless. She couldn't understand that a business has a right to hire anyone they choose, and that no one has a right to DEMAND that they do anything.

Her reason why no one of the Million Mom's could appear on the show was goofy: "Because  they're Moms." I guess those moms aren't allowed out of the house?

Meanwhile... what I wish is that we didn't have to know about the private lives of any public people. I don't care if they're gay or straight, I simply don't want to know their private business.

Hasn't anyone ever heard "It's none of your business."

Posted by Marte Cliff, your real estate writer (Marte Cliff Copywriting) over 5 years ago

Karen Ann, I thought it was amusing that at the very beginning of the video, Bill says that NONE of the supposed million moms were willing to come on live and have a discussion on this.  I don't know - but if you feel something that strongly, you should be able to defend it.  Or, do they know it's wrong and are in hiding like cowards?

Posted by Juli Vosmik, Scottsdale/Cave Creek, AZ real estate 480-710-0739 (Dominion Fine Properties) over 5 years ago

Actually, I liked Marte's comment. I do not understand this "openly Gay" thing. Do we need to go and publicly declare what our sexual orientation is?

Why do I know that Elen is a lesbian? Why do I need to kow?

Does it make jokes funnier?

 

Posted by Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL, Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices (Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne, just for you I watched Bill O'Reilly and I'm glad I did.  Now I have to come up with a shopping list for JCP.

Posted by Mona Gersky, GRI,IMSD-Taking the mystery out of real estate. (MoonDancer Realty, Dillsboro,NC) over 5 years ago

Ms. Karen Anne: if you'd tell anybody in Germany that Ellen DeGeneres is gay, the majority would shrug their shoulders and ask "yeah, so?". My generation of Germans does not understand why this is such a big deal. Who are we to tell someone their definition of family is wrong? And why is this our business? And why can't they find something worthwhile to protest against? Like Feed the Hungry? Support Wounded Veterans?

Posted by Andrea Bedard, M.A.; REALTORĀ® Silver Spring, MD and beyond (Thompson Company, REALTORSĀ®) over 5 years ago

To anyone who asks the question... "Why do I need to know they are gay ?"  Or "Why do they have to tell us their personal stuff ?"  Why do they think it is necessary to declare what their sexual orientation is ?  Or even... "Why can't they just keep their big mouths shut ?"

Honestly, there are many reasons... but perhaps not what many might think.  When someone like Ellen "tells the world" that she is gay, when someone like her partner, her wife, Portia DeRossi shares that with the world, or when someone like Neil Patrick Harris on How I met Your Mother tells the world that... why don't these people just shut up, do their job, finish their shows, and that's it ?

Again, lots of reasons, but the one, or the several I can think of... are these.

First:  There are many, many people in this world.  Many of them kids or teen-agers, and adults, as well, who are gay.  Or who are wondering if they are gay.  They are generally scared out of their TREES to mention it.  To ask anyone.  To confide in anyone. 

Because if they do... they fear being fired, being told to leave their churches, perhaps being beaten, being ostracized, being thrown off buildings, being filmed and put on YouTube, being pummeled senseless and bloody and then tied to a fence and left to die, or being shot, knifed or strangled... and left on the street to die.  Guys... it happens.  More than you know.  And somewhere, to somebody, it happens just about every day.

So they hide.  And the feel their own insides being eaten up... until they... some of them... get to the point where they feel SO very alone, SO very unwanted, SO very un-friended, and SO very paranoid... that they commit suicide.

These kids, and many adults like them who are feeling the same things... need to know that they are not freaks.  They need to know that there are others like them... "out there" in the world... who are gay, who are lesbian, and who have somehow found that they can get past those same fears, and that somehow... even just a small slice of happy'ness might be possible.

Second:  There are also many, many people in this world... who think gay people are terrible.  That all they do is march in those crazy Gay Pride parades wearing all those bizarre clothes, and just being plain weird.

Question:  If those "paraders" were the only ones that anyone knew who were gay... ummm... well.

So, there comes an obligation of sorts... to some gays and lesbians.  Not to all... because it is a really, really TOUGH thing to do.  And to not do it is ok, as well.  But... somebody has to.  Somebody has to come "OUT" of their closet, and share themselves with the world... so all of those with their ill-conceived ideas of who and what gays and lesbians are... can be shown to be wrong.

Let's take Ellen, and Neil Patrick Harris.  What ?  They are gay ?  They are lesbian ?  But... how CAN they be ?  They're "nice."  I actually like them, and I liked their shows.  Liked them... before I found out, that is.

Nah.  That last part that I just said... I was just foolin'.  That's the deal.  If people who don't KNOW any gays and lesbians... or actually, if people who don't THNK they know any gays or lesbians... begin to know that the Ellen's and the Neil Patrick's of the world are out there, and they are... gulp... "normal..." and they're nice... and they haven't seen them in parades... well... now what ?

They may begin to say to themselves... gulp... "Dammit... how can I hate lesbians and gays... NOW."  These people went and ruined it for me.  They're... ummm... uhhhh... they're normal.  Crap.  Now how can I continue to hate them.  They took away all my reasons.  Crap. 

Sorry... it ain't a perfect world.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

OK - I'll be the desenting vote.  I'm not even sure how to put this in a politically correct way.  However I am tired of family values being slammed everytime they oppose something.  Funny how the "other side" does not get slammed in fact the exact opposite.  They are appauded for "freedom of speech, non-discrimination."  How about JCP, Lowes, etc make thier own decisions based on who they think best represents their brand.  If JCP's brand is conservative women, then perhaps Ellen is NOT the best spokesperson.  Don't get me wrong, I love the comedian that Ellen is, I like her talk show, as to her lifestyle, it's not for me to judge her as person based on that.  I'm not at all sure I'm making my point.  However, I'm also pretty fed up with conservatives being labeled as bigotted, politically incorrect for standing up for what they beleive.  Isn't that the other side just doing the same thing?  Bigotted and politically intolerable to those who disagree with them?

Posted by Susan Goulding, Northern CA - Tracy & Mountain House Real Estate (Crown Key Realty, Tracy & Mountain House Real Estate) over 5 years ago

Susan, you hopefully know that being a dissenting voice on one of my posts is just fine.  That is called "communication."  That is also how people learn, and hopefully what civil people do... so they can "get along."

IS JCP's audience "conservative women ?"  Are all women with families said to be "conservative ?"  I just don't feel that bigotry and family values are both "at home" in the same scenario.  Ellen... loves women.  That's it.  There IS no lesbian lifestyle.  There are two towels in the master bath... Hers and Hers.  But... what IS a lesbian lifestyle ?

Politically correct is not necessary.  Civil, respectful and educated IS.  You are doing just fine.  Please continue if you wish.

A "conservative" who is standing up for what she believes in... is just fine.  One who tries to enforce her beliefs on others... by controlling them and their world... is not fine.

I would never label everyone who is conservative... as being bigoted.  Some are... just as some "progressives" may also be bigoted.

Did you watch the entire video ?  If so... do you think the woman in the video is representative of the majority of your everyday conservative woman ?

Two more points.  Is Ellen being a lesbian... is she "wrong?"  Or "evil?"  Or someone to keep your family away from ?  Most folks would say not.  Most folks of all political persuasions, methinks.

Also, as far as JCP is concerned... if this is just something they do to increase their business... I wonder which way, if they have to, or are forced to choose one way... which stance will bring them more business?  Conforming to a conservative viewpoint... or conforming to what I would think most folks would think is a more "mainstream" viewpoint?

I just watched the video again... for the third time.  This woman is contending that JCP is trying to "force" this gay lifestyle viewpoint... using her words... down the throats of "mainstream America."  Meaning that the majority of Americans also hold her conservative view.

I happen to think she is wrong in that... and I think that every poll that I have seen also disagrees with her viewpoint.

Please continue to comment, here... but first... I ask... have you watched the entire video, and have you read every single comment... both of the commentors and my comments... as well as my post ?

On my posts... I think I am correct in thinking that just about everyone who does comment... that they do read the entire post, they do watch the videos, if any, and then they do read every single comment.  That is one reason why almost every single comment... is a real, well thought-out viewpoint... and becomes part of an overall dialogue.

Susan... I am really glad you shared your viewpoint here.  Please continue if you need to, and please... other commentors, please join in if you wish.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

All I will say here, is that I am a Mommy.  I am a Christian.  I am starting to like Bill O'Reilly (already love you Karen Anne), and I see a shopping spree at JCPenney in my near future (I just love their Arizona Cords)!  

Oh, and Ellen is one of my favorites..... along with Neil Patrick Harris (ever since the Doogie Days)!

Posted by Amy Hahn, Realtor/Broker - Crystal Coast, NC (Pine Knoll Shores Realty) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne, oh my... Bill O'Reilly usually makes me so sick I can't watch. But I admit I couldn't finish this one just because the whole thing makes me sick. Are you kidding me?

You know, I think people have too much time on their hands. I have no time to worry about who JCP hires as a spokesperson.

I am actually speechless. And pissed off.

Posted by Andrea Swiedler, Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage) over 5 years ago

Hi there....ok, here goes! :)

I would consider myself a very conservative person. I would say mostly on fiscal issues. I like Fox mostly because it isn't a liberal spin, but other than the actual news shows, like Brett at 3pm, the commentary shows are there to balance the rest of the media. But I also think they are clear about that.

Now...onto the Ellen issue! Here is my thought on homosexuality!

I think there are a couple of issues. First and foremost, this is not a choice or a lifestyle. I have 5 children and my daughter is gay. Trust me...watching her grow up and create her character and interests, it's a natural thing for her. She did not choose it, but neither did she feel the need to change it. We love her....all of her.

On the lifestyle? That's not really fair right now. Heterosexuals can marry and not "live in sin." Yet when people "shack up" it's not viewed as negatively as a committed gay couple living together by the conservative family value-types. That's not fair...we say they CAN'T get married then get annoyed when they live together. Sheesh...drives me crazy.

The background of marriage licenses from the government was to prevent disease from spreading...TB I think. So the blood tests and then the licenses were given. It was assumed that you would not have sex prior to marriage so this would keep disease from spreading...all faulty assumptions, but that was the point.

Now? you don't need a blood test and no one is denied a license. It's just another money maker for the state.

Marriage is a religious term. Period!

If the state wants to keep it's revenue stream, then issue us all....gay or straight....civil union licenses. Let the clergy decide if it wants to bestow the label married. It's a clear separation of church and state to me. If a church wishes to call a gay couple "married" and marry them....then they should be allowed to.

As far as Ellen is concerned. It's going to be what it is....I love her, she cracks me up. She got married when she could and clearly is in a solid committed relationship. But companies are going to react to what they react to. Ask the Dixie Chicks how this goes? We can all vote with our dollars, and then JCP has to make a decision....that's just life. Fair? probably not....but it's capitalism, we can't force someone to shop somewhere. But there will also be those who support her and will shop there just to support her. So it will play out.

As for my sweet adorable daughter. She is in love and they are hoping (as am I) that at some point they can get married.

In the meantime, they can choose to live together, or not. Have sex, or not....just like my other children. THAT is a lifestyle....pre-marital sex. That you can choose or not. Again....as my other children can.

Whew....there I go. :)

Posted by Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner, Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395 (Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395) over 5 years ago

Karen, first thank you for the response answer you gave to me.  You are correct it rains a lot here in the Portland area, as a matter of fact it is raining today and not lightly, yesterday it was a clear blue sky day, cold but nice.  You just never know.  You cannot be afraid of melting if you want to live here.  I live not too far from where you enjoyed the falls, this is all changing sadly.

I like that you welcome all views on your posts and that it is alright to espouse one view's as well.  I am a middle of the road conservative (if one can say that), and am registered Republican only because in the State of Oregon, if you register as an Independent you cannot vote in the primary election which I consider important, and I vote as my brain and heart tell me, plus I study what I need to so I can make an educated guess. I do not care how people carry their political views and have many friends that are different than I am, we agree to disagree on certain things and surprise ourselves on how much we really do agree on both sides of the middle. It is a complicated situation these days and I have found I have to sit back and evaluate and re-evaluate each day what is happening in the world and try to be as balanced as I am able.

I do not like in any way, people, groups what have you to work on trying to impose their beliefs on others.  We are all able to make up our own minds if we educate ourselves and take out the emotion and use common sense.  I did not even think about saying "gay lifestyle" and you are correct, it is just another way people choose to live their lives and how people choose not make it, in my eyes, bad or good.  It just is.

I think lots of times, people make decisions on 1. How they were raised, 2. Who they surround themselves with, 3. How they educate themselves and try to understand the ways of people and the world.  I am not talking about evil, just everyday people trying to make their way through life.  Who are we to judge, I don't have the answer to that except it ultimately is up to someone else up above.  Just my belief.

I think it is rather brave of people in the position of Ellen to live their lives in an open way and not hide who they are.  I am not for people trying to impose themselves, but I have never seen that in her and a lot of people.  She is secure in who she is on the outside, my question is are any of us ever really secure in who we are.  I cannot say I totally am.

Long, very long story short, Interesting and provocative post and comments each and every one of them.  Thought provoking and hopefully a learning experience for ourselves.  It was for me.

Posted by Mary Stewart, Wilsonville and Surrounding Portland Metro Areas (HomeTrust Real Estate, LLC, Homes for Everyone) over 5 years ago

Not even one of the million moms could make it here today....HA!  Give me a break!  $20 says if Ellen sent one of these people a set of tickets to her show they'd be there in a flash! 

P.S.  Can I get a whoop whoop for WA state who is so close to becoming the 7th state to make same-sex marriage a reality!!!

P.P.S.  Ellen is sooo sweet and funny and almost always sure to bring a tear to my eye with her good deeds. Here is a recent FB post of hers from late January:  "Happy Birthday to my beautiful wife, Portia.  You've taken my name, my heart and my favorite pair of pajama jeans."

Sing it KAS!  Love you for bringing issues like this to light!!

 

Posted by Kerrie La Guardia, Let it Rain! (ActiveRain, Community Manager) over 5 years ago

I'm still chuckling about your view of Bill O'Reilly being a stand-up comedian.  Does that make the Fox News Channel ... Comedy Central??  And bless your lil' heart ... I love ya', Karen Anne ...

Gene

Posted by Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi, 708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience (NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656) over 5 years ago

Kerrie:  Yes, Ellen, and Portia, are both very sweet.  And, you ask... can you get a whoop whoop for WA state who is so close to becoming the 7th state to make Marriage Equality the Law of the State ?  You can get even MORE than a whoop, whoop by reading my previous post... Washington State Senate Politely and with Great Civility... Approves Marriage Equality.

You're just a few days late reading my blog and post... but, then again, I know it is often tough for you to remember all of us "little people" out here in the trenches... <ducking>

I bring issues up like this, and do it in my own "fair and balanced way"... cuz I know nobody else will.  You love me for bringing them up, and I love you back for reading them and commenting.  Huggs and huglets.

PS... have you called any of your local JCP stores, or visited them, and personally thanked their management... as I shared that I did... in my comment #7 above.  I am sure they would love to hear from you.  Take care... stay close...

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Gene:  Yes, Mr O'Reilly does occasionally strike me as a stand-up comedian.  He actually DOES have a sense of humor, and he occasionally shows it.  Not like that little cry baby Sean Hannity.  What a dweeb.  What an incredibly insecure dweeb Mr Hannity is.  All he does is whine.  I wonder if he might like some cheese with his whine ?  Whaddya think ?

You ask if that makes the Fox News Channel "Comedy Central ?"  My friend... there is nothing at all "central" about Fox.  Far, far to the right... is where they are.  And over the edge, most nights.  Although last night I saw something on there that surprised me.  Ms AB Stoddard was a member of one of their panels of five... on whatever show it was.  I think she runs a website called TheHill.com and has written some pretty good stuff.  So last night, it appears that Fox actually attempted to be a tad balanced.  Whew.

Gene... bless your 'lil heart as well.  Huggs to your adorable grand-daughter.  Have you ever done an entire post about her ?  If not, you need to.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

I admit to being somewhat amazed that Bill would take that position.  I can see why you say "bless his heart."

Posted by Mark Delgado, Benicia and Vallejo, Property Management, rental h (houses for rent, Solano County & Glen Cove) over 5 years ago

Good Evening Karen Anne:

 I am a conservative, but I do not align myself with many who label themselves as conservatives.  Many in this country who wave the flag of conservatism are wolves in sheep's clothing. The words of their mouths are unadulterated hate and bigotry.  Frankly, they are modern day Pharisees.  Their actions and attitudes toward the poor, the hungry, the homeless, and "the least of thee" suggest ignorance and indifference.  

Thanks for posting the very provocative blog.

Posted by C. Lloyd McKenzie, Living Albuquerque over 5 years ago

wow.. I had no idea Bill could actually say something I agree with.. LOL.. I agree with you.. Bless his heart.. He actually "gets" it! I didn't think anyone on FOX "got" it!

and a big woot woot for CA and WA state!! :)

Posted by Sheila Newton Team -- Anderson & Greenville SC Real Estate, 27 years experience -Residential Real Estate Sales (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices - C. Dan Joyner) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne ~ I had to come back and read the newest comments.  I do believe you were very fair and balanced in your post as well as your comments.  Here's a Woot  Woot to you, Karen anne!!!

Posted by Dawn A Fabiszak, The Dawn of a New Real Estate Experience! (Private Label Realty ( Denver metro area, Colorado) over 5 years ago

Mark:  Actually, Bill O'Reilly occasionally does say things that make sense.  Even though he is fairly conservative... he has an independent streak, and is secure enough that he can and will state his opinion... even when it goes against what others might term "the conservative grain."  As I have said... Bill O'Reilly I can watch.  Trying to watch Sean Hannity makes me wanna go poddy.  <really dorky grin>

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Lloyd:  That is one of the most honest representations of someone who is an honest believer in what my idea of Conservativism is.  I fully agree with your use of the word Pharisees.  So many of these so-called "conservatives"... (definitely NOT the majority of them, by the way) have absolutely un-Christ'like attitudes towards the poor, the hungry and the homeless.  You suggest it's either ignorance and/or indifference.  Unfortunately, many times, I think it is worse than that.

In many cases I think the word "Conservative" has been hi-jacked.  I really do.  I think the majority of conservatives are nice folks.  But, as you said, there are Pharisees out there.  Wolves in sheep's clothing, not to say that the typical conservatives are sheep.  But... unfortunately, so many of them do seem to be able to be "led" fairly easily by the Pharisees.

If a candidate waves the flag and wraps themselves in it, mentions being a christian, and claims to be a conservative... for so many people... that's enough.  I am sorry... but ya gotta get a shovel, and dig in to their past, just as you must do to ANY candidate of any party.

Lloyd, thanks for adding to the dialogue tonight.  Take care...

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Sheila:  Yes.  Mr O'Reilly occasionally IS "fair and balanced."  But... ya gotta watch an awful lot of his airtime minutes until you stumble on to one of those lucid moments.

The gentleman is six-ft-five, and presents a very imposing figure to his guests, especially if it is their first time on the air with him.  His vehicle of choice is usually a Caterpillar bulldozer... and he drives it well.  I have seen him really "destroy" people.

But... every once in awhile... he comes through.  I sometimes wonder just how much of his bulldozing tactics is "an act..." just part of the circus that is Fox News.

And yes... Woot and another Woot to California and Washington State.  There actually ARE some folks out there who agree that the word "equal"... means just that.  Not different, not kinda/sorta just like... but equal.  Equal means equal.  Woot Woot for them.  (It still feels funny using that word... but I am working on it.  It takes time for older chicks like me to modify.)

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Dawn:  I am so glad to see you back.  So many of the commentors here do that.  It is for many reasons... and yes, fair and balanced is one of them.  Another... is that I have such awesome folks who comment on my posts.

I think a major part of being able to communicate is honestly trying to step into the other's footsteps and see and feel where they are coming from.  I am a Myers-Briggs INFP... (a personality type)... and those of us in that little cubby-hole... more often than not have the ability to do just that.

Dawn... again... thank you for coming back... please come back often, and also... please feel free to comment on not only what I have to say, but on any of the comments that my commentors have made.  And... thanks for your kind words as well.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Just a note:  In some ways... I think it is so cool that this post has NOT been Featured... LOL.  Now, why would I say that ?

Well... cuz we are at 42 comments now, and everyone who has shared in this... is here because they choose to be... and not simply because they found this post on the "Featured Post blog roll."

And... in addition... every single comment that has been made... is sincere, and either well-thought-out, or what I call well-felt-out.

That is so essential to a blog post like this one.  My sincere thanks... and now, my sincere "Woot Woots."  Gee, that still feels so silly to say, but I'm workin' on it.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

JCP and Ellen get my vote. I know a few gay couples and they have stayed together longer than most straight couple I know. What does that say about our society? I happen to think Ellen is one of the funniest people out there. I have her first series on DVD and her second short livid series on DVD. My "traditional" family, the dogs and cats included, love the shows. My daughter knew from an early ago about gay couples. I made it very simple for her. It's people loving people.

Posted by Debbie Laity, Your Real Estate Resource for Delta County, CO (Cedaredge Land Company) over 5 years ago

Hi Karen Anne - I enjoyed your post and particularly applaud your comment at #25.  

But then the folks who will discuss their agreements and disagreements in a civil way are probably not the folks who would call a store to demand the firing of a person they have never met.

I am old enough to remember the "kerfuffel" caused by Anita Bryant in the seventies as spokesperson for the Florida Citrus Commission.  Ms Bryant became an rabid anti-gay activist and was fired by the Citrus folks.  It was not a matter of their agreement or disagreement with her cause.  They had hired a singer to represent their product and they did not sign on for the controversial image that evolved around Ms Bryant.

Ellen is talented, popular and funny.  I think her open discussions about her life and relationship gives her a boost in the credibility and honesty categories - not bad for a corporate spokesperson.  Is JCP willing to offend a segment of their customer base - no matter how unreasonable their complaint may be? We will see. I hope that we live in a different time than the seventies (but I applauded when they fired Anita Bryant).  

As for the gay marriage question - both sides of the issue get mad at me. I believe the word "marriage" has meaning from centuries of use and I am not real flexible about redefining the language for someone's convenience.  That said, I see no important government interest to be served by denying the legal rights of a same sex couple.  So i favor the concept of a civil union for all couples - straight or gay -  to provide the legal relationship necessary to protect individual property rights and rights of couples who wish to enter into a legal relationship.  Marriage is, in my view, a religious sacrement of the various faiths and should be the exclusive province of the churches. I would take government out of the marriage business.  The concept of the civil union is sufficient for government purposes.

 

 

 

Posted by Ted Baker, MidFloridaMediation.com (Carmody and Associates LLC) over 5 years ago

Debbie:  You know, it really IS just that simple.  People loving people.  Barbra Streisand had it right.  I can so easily hear my much-too-soon departed Mom singing "People" by Ms Streisand.

Sure, this is a legal thing, but it is also a very love-filled emotional thing.  Have you ever seen a car pull away from a court-house, or from a church, for that matter... with a sign on the back that read... "Just Civil-Unioned?"

Me neither.  Gay couples and lesbian couples have "traditional families" too.  Some folks seem so scared about "gayness."  It's almost as if they believe that if their children see or hear about gays or lesbians... that they might "catch" it.

Often when you have a "people" who loves another "people"... they want to get married.  So, why not ?  Equal... means... equal.  I have never, ever heard a young couple in love say... "oh Honey, let's get civil-unioned."

Thanks so much for adding your perspective.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

It's time for another "by the way:" 

By the way... in doing a little bit of research on Ellen, I stumbled upon her very, very first television comedy appearance.  It was a stand-up... again, her very first... on the Johnny Carson show on November 28, 1986. 

It is seven minutes long, and Ellen is very, very funny.  And wow, does she look young.  (Which, in the clip, she is.)  She is a young pup of 27 years of age.  Ellen DeGeneres' First Stand-Up Appearance on "The Tonight Show".  Enjoy ! 

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

I'm pretty conservative and usually like Fox News- except lately they've been peeving me off a bit with their coverage of the Republican primaries and their dismissal of Ron Paul. But I do have a big problem with so called conservatives who bash a group for being different than themselves. And when they throw in religion for their reasons they must have read a different bible than I did (I'm an atheist and have read the bible). If they are protecting family values then they should look in the mirror. The sanctity of marriage kind of took a hit when the divorce rate passed the 50% mark. I guess it must be nice to have so little to worry about in their lives that this is the biggest cause they can take up.

Posted by Jackie Hawley, Southeast Michigan Real Estate (ReMax Encore) over 5 years ago

age is just a number, Karen Anne.. You are not that old!! :)

Isn't it neat how the language keeps changing?? LOL

Posted by Sheila Newton Team -- Anderson & Greenville SC Real Estate, 27 years experience -Residential Real Estate Sales (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices - C. Dan Joyner) over 5 years ago

I have had lesbian clients who were lovely PEOPLE. I'm sure many of the one million moms are lovely PEOPLE, too!  I never thought of my lesbian clients as LESBIANS but as PEOPLE...but after reading all of the above comments I have to say something! :)

To all: 

Does it really matter what I think about the issue?  Does it matter what you think about the issue?  No on both counts.

Only one opinion matters--and that's God's opinion.  There are many verses in the Bible that address the issue of sexual sin, but before I quote one for you, let me just say, that JESUS LOVES PEOPLE, but hates sin.  We are ALL cut out of the same cookie dough.  We ALL have sinned and deserve to be punished. (Romans 3:23)  Yours truly included. (Yours truly especially!!)

But, we (or in this case I) cannot say sin is ok. 

 If my best friend wanted to cheat on her husband, should I say, "Sure...if you found someone better lookin' go fot it!!" ?  No, I would tell her...you cannot SIN against God and against your husband by doing this!  So, I'd speak up!

There are other verses in the Bible if you want to look them up, but here is one for thought.

I Corinthians 6:9-11  "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived.  Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.  And such were some of you.  But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus..."

Posted by Sonja Patterson, Texas Monthly 5-Star Realtor Recipient for the Hou (Executive Real Estate Services) over 5 years ago

Sonja:  Wow, would I have something to say about all the things in other parts of the Bible that are viewed as "sinful"... or at least they were 2100 years ago.  But, in the list of things you shared from Corinthians, I find it very, very curious that all of the items mentioned had to do with something that actually HARMED someone else when the act was carried out.

Every one... except homosexuality.  That... simply involves the two people involved.  And, what are those two people doing ?  The simply "love."

You also mentioned that only "God's opinion" counts.  But, how do we really, I mean really know what "God's opinion" is ?  What we have, and what we hear, is other people's "opinion" of what they think "God's opinion" is.

Also... this is in "our" culture.  There are many other cultures throughout the world that actually VALUE those who love others of the same sex.  Some cultures even call it a "gift."

Sonja, I totally and fully respect you, your beliefs, and what you have to say in your comment.  By the way... the list you enumerated from Corinthians... I fully agree with all that you mentioned... except what has come to be called "homosexuality."  What comes to my mind is the phrase... "... and the greatest of these is Love."

Of course "sin" is never ok.  But, the definition of what is a sin, and what is not... well... there's the problem.

I invite anyone who has commented above to jump back in to the dialogue here... and share your thoughts on what we see in comment #49 and comment #50.  Thanks so much.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

Karen: Well I am certainly late to the party. Given the statistics that as many as 1 in 9 people are gay or lesbian, that would mean that approximately 90,000 of the children of the Million Moms may be gay. Would that open their hearts?

Karen, somewhere in these comments, you have wriiten about the self doubt and discrimination gays and lesbians have suffered before, during and after they discovered and announced who they really are. The loving God I believe in does not want any of his children to suffer prejudice. I have always believed that people fear what they do not know.

Penney's new ad campaign, pre Ellen is a little bit confusing. All those screaming women, you knew something big was up. It actually drove me into the store and there was no signage to indicate the new pricing policy. The store looks beautiful.  And at least in my suburban Philadelphia mall, I think they could give the competition (Macy's), who is floundering a bit, a run for their money. 

Funny, non-threatening Ellen, who is chirpy and very well known,  could be the perfect spokeperson to articulate their new direction. God knows they are screwing it up out of the box.  I am going to the store tomorrow and will try to to see the manager.

 

Posted by Anne M. Costello (Weidel Realtors) over 5 years ago

Love this discussion!  Kudos, Karen Anne.

And if I were elected President manana, I would seek Mr. Ted Baker as part of my advisors.  Yes I would:)

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 5 years ago

Jason, yes... I fully agree with you.  I have known that about Ted for several years, and have told him so.  Sometimes he and I agree, more times we do not, but he presents himself and his views so very, very well.  When you listen to what he has to say, you just know there is much knowledge behind it.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

I had not heard about this but I do find it incredibly ridiculous.  I hope JCP sticks to their use of Ellen.

Posted by Dr. Stacey-Ann Baugh, A doctor who makes house calls. (Century 21 New Millennium) over 5 years ago

Jason - if that is your plan, you might not get my vote.  But thank you for the kind words.

Karen Anne - I would prefer to think that sometimes we agree and other times we agree to disagree... but neither of us are easy to persuade. But we both enjoy the occasional epiphany.

Posted by Ted Baker, MidFloridaMediation.com (Carmody and Associates LLC) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne-wow! Am not generally a fan of the big guy myself, but this is great. Intersting justaposition of views here...at the end of the day, it WILL all be about that great equalizer MONEY. Interesting JCP in their quest for MONEY made the RIGHT decision, supporting gay and gay-friendly-America. not usually how things work out, huh?

 

Posted by Marie Graham, Westchester County Interior Decorator, Home Stager (Owner, The Refreshed Home White Plains NY) over 5 years ago

Karen Anne, OReilly was right to call the woman out.  To each their own. I don't care.  But you did call her a bigot although in your posts you said you never would.  Maybe that needs to be looked into.

Posted by Dale Terry over 5 years ago

Dale at Home Realty:  I was very "light" on this woman.  What she really was doing... saying that because Ellen did not conform to HER definition of "good family values..." that she should be fired.  What that actually WAS... was a great examply of an attempt to impose her version of "christian Shari'a Law."  Sorry... this is not Iran.  This is not Afghanistan or Pakistan.

One group's personal beliefs should not be codified into law, and then used to control other groups.  I was trying to be "kinder and gentler"... to use President Bush's words... with her.  But, since you wanted me to "look into" whatever it was... I did... and there ya go.

Have a wonderful week.  Watching Tuesday's primary results will be fun... if only to see how badly (hopefully) the Republicans show America that they do not want "Mr christian Shari'a"... former Senator Santorum... to represent them in November.

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

karen Anne:

Your Words:

"I would never label everyone who is conservative... as being bigoted.  Some are... just as some "progressives" may also be bigoted."

Also your Words:

"And last night... Bill O'Reilly had a far-right conservative on his show, and debated the "JCP needs to fire Ellen DeGeneres" issue with this bigotted woman."

Your lookin into the issue just means you ignore the bovious.  If you agree with something, it is right, if you disagree, it must be wrong.  How about the same with fervor with Rush's statement about the 30 something student being a slut? 

Your words:

 

Dale at Home Realty:  I was very "light" on this woman.  What she really was doing... saying that because Ellen did not conform to HER definition of "good family values..." that she should be fired.  What that actually WAS... was a great examply of an attempt to impose her version of "christian Shari'a Law."  Sorry... this is not Iran.  This is not Afghanistan or Pakistan.

You are right, it isn't Afghanistan or Pakistan, doesn't rush have the right to say what he feels? Or is it just another obvious bias by the left?  The left seems to be holding Rush to their ideals, that he should be held accountable?

I can't believe we are still talking about things like this in America.  I don't care, do what you got to do, but there is no right to take anyone"s money just to give it to somebody you feel may be more deserving.  That holds true for both the left and the right.

Posted by Dale Terry over 5 years ago

Dale:  I said that I woud never label EVERYONE who is conservative... as being bigoted.  And then I said... some are, and some aren't.

And actually, Rush does NOT have the right to say what he feels.  Well, actually, he "could" say it, but if what he says comes under the definition, he could be sued for libel or defamation.  Or... he could end up losing sponsors (six major ones, so far) because of it.  Rush needs to learn that he just cannot "make stuff up" about people... although he does it all the time.

Those like Rush, and like Mr Santorum, are trying to MAKE America into an Iran or into an Afghanistan with their christian version of shari'a.  That... is what I meant.  They are surely free to believe what they want... as are you... but you have NO right to turn that belief into law, and then require everyone to adhere to it.  That... would be christian shari'a law.  Not here, hunnie.  America is not a Theocracy.

Also... what is meant by your phrase... "to ignore the bovious."  What's a bovious ?

Posted by Karen Anne Stone, Fort Worth Real Estate (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 5 years ago

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